World Map Discussion

[Rolina]

Geez, I missed alot.  Okay, first off, stop attributing this idea to me - Sala came up with it, he gets the credit.  Second, if you guys were reading my post, I used the dekhan plateau as my main example.  Kimbobo Passage as another example given, and would work well as well.  This would not be as cavernous as the dekhan, but would act in a similar fashion - as a means to cross mountains.  Keep in mind, these mountains are about the size of Italy.  And you want a cave through them.  Yeah, don't think it works that way.

@John:  Not bad, but we need much more mountains in the pass.  They should extend further down, and spread out a bit in the northern part.  Look at a few real life land bridges for how mountains form on them for examples.  As for the main continent, rivers still aren't bendy enough, and much much more forestation is needed.  Also, make sure that Mercury has a bit more wiggle room on its border with Mars - it looks pretty small compared to the other clans.

[dwkjohn]

I was only posting the mountain thing for if people wanted to show exactly what they wanted, but I'll just go ahead and do it and see what reaction I get.

@Role: Sorry. forgot about the bendy rivers. I am not going to add in the forests until we have everything else where it should be because they are the biggest pain in the ass when it comes to shaping them to fit in the land scape,and then having to remove them to put something else there.

and if anyone wants to try editing the map, Maxi has a youtube video on how to do it. thank you Maxi. plus, I have been kinda busy and I will be gone for two weeks at the end of july. so someone else should at least try it or this topic will be dead for at least half a month.

[Rolina]

Aye, we'll need the mountains to be much thicker and larger there.  They should take up much more of the space there just to emphasize that we can't just use a tunnel.

But yeah, the bendiness of the rivers is pretty important, as it'll go a long way to making the land look much bigger than it really is.  Forests will help to contribute, but I can understand where you're coming from with waiting to put them.

[dwkjohn]

ok here's an update to get this topic jumpstarted again. I'll continue to work on it but this is what I got done today.

[Rolina]

@Sala's divide the continents by the clans idea:  Didn't I already shoot this down once?  Let me remind you - the world existed before the clans, that's the whole reason why we're working on this together.

@John:  Hmm... yeah, let's look at the rivers right now.    If we can get them to twist and turn like in the normal continents, that'd be great.  Anyone have any ideas on how to bend them?

[Salanewt]

Actually, didn't the world exist with the clans? If it were not for the program, the world would not be the way it is because there would be nobody to influence how it is shaped. Either way, the way we do this could be determined somewhat by popular demand, mostly together. As long as it mostly looks like a normal world, right?

[Teawater]

Looking good so far. I have a question... Would it be better if we connected both groups of mountains together? That way, you'd be extending the mountain range further to show that you can't use a tunnel there for sure.

...I have posted an image as an attachment, the second destination (Mountain Path or Tunnel) does not have to be used unless there becomes a need to later in the game.


So, what do you think?

[Rolina]

Hmm, that could work, but I'm worried about the Mercury section of the continent being too small.  We may need to move the river separating Mercury and Mars if we do that.

[Griever]

The continents ARE small ... actually too small in comparison to the continents in the original games.

Role, we know you shot down the clan editing maps idea ... though you should know that Mars is actually working on the continent ... we will post the continent here for you guys to see and COMMENT on this, way everyone will be contributing on making it. If someone else is actually working on it (I have not heard of any such person) then we can choose the parts that suit us all .....

[Salanewt]

I thought they were. Still, we can always expand them when we can actually edit the map in-game. The size that they are now works for planning, and then we can expand when it comes to adding ways to explore.

How about this then? We still give clans a bit more control over their respective continents, except that we let them decide how they want their continents to be made instead of making them completely in charge. For example, I am currently working on the Venus continent (with slight delays for personal hacks and minor health problems), but I will upload it once I design it the way I think it should look. From there, we can all talk together to negotiate any further changes. If we just do this for clan-specific continents, then we could exclude Mercury because of their lack of participation.

[dwkjohn]

The continents ARE small ... actually too small in comparison to the continents in the original games.

I beg to differ. the are exactly the same size. the middle continent is just small. Atrius cleared that up a while back. the map is the same size as GS it needs no resizing. I'll ad that pic to this post when I find it.

@Role: I was just finishing up the mountain pass before I started on the rivers and trees. they are the biggest pain in the ass.

and I don't think we need the Mountsin Tunnel or Path. there is a beach there for later exploration.

[Salanewt]

Ah, I forgot that. Um, er, um... right. It may just look smaller because of the mountain ranges. That, and the smaller continent is slightly smaller than Indra when it comes down to it. I think the rest are all about the size of Hesperia. On top of that, we also have the northern and southern areas. Oh, and the oceans are fairly large too.

Mountain ranges: It might be cool if we were to put a few small islands that are off to the sides of the mountain pass, maybe with mountains of their own. They don't need beaches, but it would make the area look a little less bare. Oh, and some of the pointy sea rocks too.

[Teawater]

and I don't think we need the Mountsin Tunnel or Path. there is a beach there for later exploration.

I basically had that there as an idea. I'm sure if we wanted to make it required we could somehow do so. I mean, suppose we want to return to our starting location from the southern area of the land or something.. I dunno.. I somehow doubt the game will just open up on the world map with no sense of direction on what's happened. Both TBS and TLA opened up inside a place/building.. so..

[dwkjohn]

well. *cracks knuckles* time to wake up this topic again so can someone make a sketch of where exactly we should have the rivers so i have something to go on? thanx.

[Rolina]

I'm not gonna have private compy access for a week I'm guessing, so... you may want to ask others about this for once.  I'd love to help, but noooooooo, there just HAD to be problems when I moved.  Typical... >_>

[Today]

Today at 19:17:24

Teawater: http://forum.goldensunhacking.net/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=51

[Today]

Today at 19:05:48

Luna_blade: @.gba Nope. Where is it?

[Today]

Today at 18:00:23

Teawater: By the way, I was wondering, did anyone else notice the ".gba" ROM in the Downloads section?

[Today]

Today at 16:54:26

JamietheFlameUser: Well, that particular Briggs fight was from a long time ago. I haven't been working on my current hack the past few days because of other stuff.

[Today]

Today at 16:40:10

Luna_blade: @Saturos: Your english exams?

[Today]

Today at 16:33:40

Teawater: Can't remember exactly what shae of yellow it was, so not sure it would be too close or not.

[Today]

Today at 16:30:58

Teawater: @KoP: Wouldn't Shiny Gold be for the Sol Clan?

[Today]

Today at 15:37:37

Salanewt: Oh wait, tag doesn't work down here. But yeah, how is your hack going Jamie?

[Today]

Today at 15:37:00

Salanewt: [me] considers giving him the Sol Blade...

[Today]

Today at 15:36:00

Salanewt: Oh my. To be honest though, I'd be more likely to give Briggs stuff from later regions; him being a pirate from another continent and all.

[Today]

Today at 09:36:58

JamietheFlameUser: How not to design boss fights: give human-type bosses stats and equipment on par for what the Editor says their level is and what equipment is available where they're from. You get stuff like an actually scaled to level 21 Briggs with a Great Sword, Silver Plate, Silver Helm, Vambrace, and Leather Boots. God, that was BS.

[Today]

Today at 09:09:49

Saturos: Wow first part of exam is ower (in english) tomorow speaking part.

[Today]

Today at 07:11:35

JamietheFlameUser: Eh, I didn't know the exact chance of Curse screwing you over. Still, that 6% chance to fail to act at all could screw you over when it matters most. The obvious solution, of course, is to stick that armour on a character who doesn't do anything but spam attack moves anyway.

[Today]

Today at 07:10:52

leaf: ...assuming I'm remembering the chance of curse taking effect correctly as 25%

[Today]

Today at 07:09:50

leaf: in fact, you get two turns the majority of the time (~56%), and only completely fail to act ~6%, the remainder of the time getting one action

[Today]

Today at 07:07:49

leaf: I like that stealth armor buff. it wouldn't make sense to do that with the clerics ring available, but if you remove that, it's actually an interesting item. On average, you get ~1.5 turns per round. it's potentially very strong, but carries risks

[Today]

Today at 07:04:59

leaf: lol

[Today]

Today at 06:39:21

JamietheFlameUser: Reading the Venus Psynergy topic and 'lol'ing at Role's reaction to a very simple spell idea I'd had (and still think is awesome), where rock explodes out of the ground from a single point in a focused, cone-shaped burst. Role read me the riot act about not combining elements again. lol.

[Today]

Today at 06:17:58

JamietheFlameUser: Well, one thing I came up with that was actually potentially cool is a modification to the Stealth Armour. I gave it +1 turns, under the assumption that the Cleric's Ring would be removed. You might get 2 actions that round, or 1 action, or maybe no actions at all! RNG at its finest.

[Today]

Today at 06:15:32

Knight of Purgatory: Nice orange text kain. Maybe it should be a shiny gold

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